HK (Heckler & Koch) versus Colt Videos

Jiraiya18x Says:

Aug 21, 2008 - hk best weapons !m4 suxx. m4 good to shoot some ducks

LedKenji666 Says:

Aug 21, 2008 - because every time you see an m16 it in a movie

HKMac07 Says:

Aug 21, 2008 - HK Anyday

panzerSSnacker Says:

Aug 21, 2008 - HK is the best, just cheek weapons like MP5, G36, or USP pistols...the CHOOSE ONES by the most number of conuntrys

nallabor Says:

Aug 21, 2008 - What difference does it make? Its a test. They did the submersion with the bolt open simply to get the barrel full of water rapidly. SEAL teams often swim with their weapons, and upon emerging from the water their barrels would be full of water... even though it is unlikely that they would need to fire immediately.This test isn't conclusive at all, but it is interesting.

cXilion Says:

Aug 21, 2008 - not really, i shot with it

kimmin1208 Says:

Aug 21, 2008 - the point is to see if the gas tube fails not to see how well it fires with water in the barrel. if you get water in the gas tube, it can cause a serious damage

nallabor Says:

Aug 21, 2008 - That doesn't change anything... the gas tube doesn't seal entirely when the bolt is closed, so it would fill up with water anyways. Therefore, they are still simulating a prolonged submersion in just a few seconds... aside from any corrosive effects of water

Jadavontae Says:

Aug 21, 2008 - hey i dont think people realize this but i think another factor that could be contributing to the m16 and m4 jamming so much is the type of clips they are being loaded with. they use a standard military issued mag that has a difrent spring design than the HK mags, which is wut the 416 uses. HK mags are 100% jam resistant while the military mags have a plastic loading piece that can chamber rounds irregularly.

Eagl3Scr3am Says:

Aug 21, 2008 - Not from my experience, hk mags have a plastic pieces too. Heck the mags for the G36 are almost completely plastic. HK mags are OK mags, better than USGI mags.

Eagl3Scr3am Says:

Aug 21, 2008 - And no, HK mags are not 100% jam resistant, that is just a very unthoughtful statement

Jadavontae Says:

Aug 21, 2008 - yes im sure they are. well they jam a whole lot less the miliatry issue

kimmin1208 Says:

Aug 21, 2008 - that's the point.even though HK416 is soaked with water, it didn't blow up like Colt M4

1airplane21 Says:

Aug 21, 2008 - thats so biased cuz the guy doesnt fire imedietley with the hk 416 and he holds it at a down angle allowing some water to come out before shooting it but with the colthe barley clears the water before e starts shooting

nallabor Says:

Aug 21, 2008 - Agreed. The M4 was allowed to drain only half of the time that the HK416 was. This test shows us nothing substantial, in reality. However, I'd still take the HK416 over an M4

dzsiimeen Says:

Aug 21, 2008 - the water come out from the handguard, not from the barrel.

scriblz2002 Says:

Aug 21, 2008 - The gas tube of the M4 provides ventilation of the bore, allowing air to escape as it is replaced with water.With the operating rod in place, the HK416 does not vent, meaning air can only escape through the muzzle, made impossible due to surface tension of the water and small bore.No trickery, just physics.I carried them for years and though I cleaned them twice a day, some still failed to cycle.I would not trust the M4 with my life. Good thing Colt has a monopoly!

1airplane21 Says:

Aug 21, 2008 - no the gas tube is used to cycle the gun because some of teh exploding gas goes back to the bolt which pushes it back and ejects the shells and loads a new 1

1airplane21 Says:

Aug 21, 2008 - exactly the was not enough time for the gas tube or barrel to drain

Xiolablu3 Says:

Aug 21, 2008 - The HK416 was fired UNDER the water too.

Xiolablu3 Says:

Aug 21, 2008 - ermmm watch the last test, he fires the M416 under the water completely.

1airplane21 Says:

Aug 21, 2008 - but the gun didnt cycle so that means the gas tube was blocked

1airplane21 Says:

Aug 21, 2008 - but the gun didnt cycle so that mean the gas tube did not function or was blocked

nallabor Says:

Aug 21, 2008 - correct... Thats called direct impingement, it is the gas operating system that all traditional M16 variants utilize. The point is that the M4 does NOT seal entirely. So when you submerge it under water, the barrel will fill with water.

nallabor Says:

Aug 21, 2008 - The HK416 DOES NOT use direct impingement. It uses a gas piston system with a connecting rod. According to scriblz2002, it seals entirely. IF that is correct, then no water would be able to enter the barrel under common circumstances/typical submersion. Therefore, firing the weapon under water isn't a miracle of engineering, its just HK's is watertight. Saying the HK416 has no drawbacks considered to the M4 is incorrect. Gas piston operating systems are heavier than direct impingement.