Added: Aug 20, 2008
From: dntemp
Duration: 5:34
News coverage of Bethel Church, Redding, CA. Source: http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/190055.aspxhttp://www.ibethel.org
Channel: News
Tags: agnostic atheism charismatic christ god healing holy miracle pentecostal prayer sceptic spirit spiritual
Rating: 4.50 (50 ratings) Views: 25445' favoriteCount='107 Comments: 129
gdsswd Says:
Aug 20, 2008 - Dont really know what you continually get off topic and refer to what you heard someone else did in a different situation.
gdsswd Says:
Aug 20, 2008 - Why do you keep refering to Quakers? There wer some of the most holy ghost filled fire baptised believers at teh time. Read the life story of their found George Fox. They were called quakers because the power of the Holy Ghost came on them so strong that they shook violently in their meetings and fell on the ground. You really need to read the state constitution from the original states, many of which required their leaders to be christians.
gdsswd Says:
Aug 20, 2008 - I have no idea what your talking about. Are you on drugs?
guapobear Says:
Aug 20, 2008 - AT the current time, 2008, they are not solely of Christian persuasion.. don't be so reconstructionist, honey..
guapobear Says:
Aug 20, 2008 - Why is it that all Pat Robertson (and gdsweeeeed) keep offering is a plan for political power and dominionism when Jesus said, "My kingdom is not of this world"? Everything is about their interpretation of 18th century documents... which they wish to selectively make relevant.. the ones that mention God and Christianity are good and the others are well, er, insignificant.. like what was said below about Jefferson and church and state..
guapobear Says:
Aug 20, 2008 - There is a wonderful miracle in the Bible, the woman at the well. When she got back to her people, she said that Jesus had told her everything she had ever done. If Jesus had merely told her every place date and thing she'd done, he was no better than a charlatan. He must have told her what she had done, it's spiritual and psychological (same) consequences to her and how to rectify the problem. Hmmm.... and that's still how He really works today.. mostly in church basements and anonymously.
guapobear Says:
Aug 20, 2008 - Having had time to review the moments regarding the portions regarding the baby's heart.. THIS IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF PRAYER AND HEALING.. When babies are born premature, there are things that haven't completed in their development; obviously the heart hadn't finished developing. I do believe that it isn't automatic that the heart would finish maturing and that the hole would close outside the womb.. It is miraculous that God works to do these things.. There are miracles that happen every day.
harmonlocke Says:
Aug 20, 2008 - Jesus Rocks!
gdsswd Says:
Aug 20, 2008 - If you understood the Kingdom of God, u would know that its refering to "God's way of doing things". If you want to talk about government you can go to Isaiah which said, "The GOVERNMENT shall be upon HIS shoulders AND of His kingdom THERE SHALL BE NO END"!!! If you need help understanding "there shall be no end" there's a great preschool class i can recommend you enroll in.
guapobear Says:
Aug 20, 2008 - gdsswd - "If you understood..." - I understand it pretty well, thank you very much.. The Bible says "upon His shoulers", not upon the shoulders of those who declare themselves to be his vicars on earth.. What is the difference between "Pope" Ratzinger being titled as God's vicar on earth for the RC church and the foolishness of pseudo protesants who elevate their, or allow people to elevate themselves to the position of pseudo-vicars.. political persuaders with their own agendas??.. NEXT...
guapobear Says:
Aug 20, 2008 - gdsswd - "If you understood..." - Furthermore, if YOU understood the PROTOCOL of WHO IS BOSS IN THE KINGDOM OF GOD, let me remind you in a simple theology lesson that doesn't take a 2nd grader to figure out.. JESUS = MESSIAH AND SAVIOR AND SON OF GOD, "MY KINGDOM IS NOT OF THIS WORLD". (WHAT PART OF THAT DON'T YOU UNDERSTANT?) ISAIAH = PROPHET (ASTUTE AND GIFTED OF GOD) AND THE GOVERMENT OF?? THE USA?? THE EARTH?? .. THE UNIVERSE.. MESSIAH TRUMPS YOUR INTERPRETATION ANY DAY...
gdsswd Says:
Aug 20, 2008 - Typical Red Herring Fallacy. The central issue that I am addressing is that Christ's influence was never intended to be limited in ANY way.
guapobear Says:
Aug 20, 2008 - I'm sure, your imminence, grace, or whatever you want to be called today.. I also think you missed what I had to say about dominionism theology.. it is utter-ly flawed.. and in the near future, hopefully will merely 'have been' utter-ly flawed.. same smell different pile.
gdsswd Says:
Aug 20, 2008 - What?
guapobear Says:
Aug 20, 2008 - Read what I wrote below.. and as I said at the bottom.. this is a natural process.. a miraculous natural process that happens on a regular basis.. I certainly believe that prayer has a lot to do with it.. You need to take a college biology course.. or an 8th grade science class, for that matter..
guapobear Says:
Aug 20, 2008 - "Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind." - Albert Einstein... The church has said the earth is flat, caused the spread of the black plague and any number of scientifically ignorant causes throughout history... It's time to understand how faith and science are both part of God's wonderful plan.
gdsswd Says:
Aug 20, 2008 - I have taken both 8th gd science and college bio, but thanks for the recommend. I have to admit though that i was never taught anything that would help me understand, cripples limbs growing out, cancerous tumors fall off of people, AIDs being cured in an instant, or even the dead being raised; all of which i have see with my own eyes because of the power in the Name of Jesus.
guapobear Says:
Aug 20, 2008 - gdsswd - "I have taken both.." - Aha, so you say, but we hear all of this, yet nobody ever ever posts a medically documented and verified account of any of this?? Please direct me to the sites where I can find this - All I get when somebody "directs me" is just another verbal anecdote. I believe in FAITH AND SCIENCE - they are mutually inclusive - not mutually exclusive - The next time you see an amputee get a limb, call all three major networks, and just show a before and after pic.
guapobear Says:
Aug 20, 2008 - gdsswd - As i was saying.. have a before pic of the person.. and show it with the new person and just document medically that the person was an amputee, and get it to CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS AND FOX - They would all jump on the story, and from a secular viewpoint, they would report the story due to its unusual nature.. OF COURSE they will ask the person to what they attribute the healing, and then the person who is healed can testify to the glory of God.. THAT IS HOW OBJECTIVE JOURNALISM WORKS..
gdsswd Says:
Aug 20, 2008 - Actually, I've seen this done. It will only go as far as local media and even then wont get too much coverage. I've seen amazing miracle documentation given to major media outlets and they will totally ignor it. Too bad we dont have objective national journalism.
guapobear Says:
Aug 20, 2008 - When it really happens, then call ABC and take them to task on the issue if it really happens.. let them know that, "hey, this may not be happening in 'so and so's ministry' but it is happening.."... Cite to them their previous articles.. if ABC or the big guys won't give you the cred and it's really happened.. take it to FOX or CNN..
gdsswd Says:
Aug 20, 2008 - The bible actually always said that the earth was round along with many other scientifically advanced statments far beyond it's time. There's a great book called "Scientific FActs in the Bible".
StagsRoar Says:
Aug 20, 2008 - This video is absolutely awesome! I so much would love to be part of that sort of movement.
smicko77 Says:
Aug 20, 2008 - Brilliant
gdsswd Says:
Aug 20, 2008 - Will do and i consider that a complement.