Ken Miller talks about how to respond to pseudo-science Videos

Erech01 Says:

Jul 26, 2008 - mammals come from retile-like mammals, and they came from mammal like reptiles, and they came from reptiles

torin006 Says:

Jul 26, 2008 - Matter and energy. Where did god come from? (Note: Whatever your answer is... that my answer to where the universe came from. I would love love love to see this answer.)

megamarsvin Says:

Jul 26, 2008 - "Whether it's right or not in a scientific sense doesn't matter because it's the source of everything that is wrong and evil in society."Ye-es.. And if we don't throw a virgin into the vulcano every year the Gods will make it erupt. Where are my sacrificial robes?

ldl21 Says:

Jul 26, 2008 - The total energy of the universe is zero (See Stephen Hawkins book). Matter comes from energy. But if the total energy of the universe is zero (And it is), there is no need for energy to come from nothing. The work of Victor Stenger is good in this issue.

chunksofham Says:

Jul 26, 2008 - And, who care if christians believe certain things? Many of them are nice, good people- if it makes them happy, I say fine. No need to impose your beliefs on them. Or vice versa.Invest your time in more important stuff- work for charity, or any worthy cause. And to quote Voltaire- a long dispute means both parties are wrong.

HockeyPwnsBaseball Says:

Jul 26, 2008 - Atheists don't have a problem with Christians. We don't believe what they believe, but it's not like we want to wage an anti-Christian war on them. The only time Atheists get pissed off at Christians are when Christians try to push their ideas on mainstream society (like trying to teach Creationism/Intelligent Design in schools)

hotkarlsauce Says:

Jul 26, 2008 - Well said. I'm actually doing a speech on why teaching intelligent design in public schools is wrong.

leungchaan Says:

Jul 26, 2008 - nobody will ever convince a believing christian of evolution. there's a simple explanation: evolution proves that adam and eve didn't exist. without adam and eve, there's no original sin, and if there's no original sin, there's no need for a saviour. but the christian belief system builds up on the supposition, that jesus is our saviour. that's why fundamental christians will always fight evolution to the blood, because it makes the very function of jesus futile.

requiemdexter Says:

Jul 26, 2008 - Where did God come from? and where did the answer to my intial question come from? Ad infinitum. The only argument needed to disprove god is infinite regression.

gstrocknroller Says:

Jul 26, 2008 - Can anyone explain the organic chemistry joke to me please? D:

LoioshDwaggie Says:

Jul 26, 2008 - It's very messy and difficult :)

Stitchman3875 Says:

Jul 26, 2008 - Can anyone here answer me 2 things. 1st off, why can't a person believe in God and Evolution? I don't understand the conflict. And 2, how does Evolution supposedly lead to genecide? That sounds like a stretch.

BPMontana Says:

Jul 26, 2008 - I believe Ken Miller believes in God and Evolution.

Stitchman3875 Says:

Jul 26, 2008 - Yeah, I know Ken Miller believes in God and Evolution. I believe in God and Evolution as well. But many other Fundamentalists are saying that you cannot. And I keep hearing about all this "Evolution leads to Genecide". I would like to try to understand their reasoning.

DeadFishFactory Says:

Jul 26, 2008 - They are using the logical fallacies of appealing to emotion, fear, and consequences, that's what. If they have to lie to do it in the process, then they gotta do what they gotta do.

Stitchman3875 Says:

Jul 26, 2008 - I suppose so. Just seems a bit dishonest to me.

bonangusacdc Says:

Jul 26, 2008 - leungchaan. You are correct. Imagine having wasted your entire life by living it by an ancient book written by men who knew nothing about anything! But then imagine the clergy and the parents who are responsible for instilling the lies in their children's minds. Tragic.

MikeyFlorida Says:

Jul 26, 2008 - stitchman, yeah i know exactly how you feel.any educated, rational theist would understandably be puzzled by the fact that (at least in America) there is overwhelming ignorance and delusion in mainstream Christian church. the ignorance, dishonesty and delusion creationism/ID does represent is, although discouraging, not reflective of Christendom. most creationists/ID proponents are ignorant of not only science, but also their own beliefs about nature and God's specific role in it.

MikeyFlorida Says:

Jul 26, 2008 - like the response ken miller and the pastor gave in this lecture/discussion, in reply to a question about why ID and creationism is so prevalent still today, they bring up how the ambiguity of the terms "Intelligent Design" (and creationism) would have scientifically uneducated theists automatically leaning towards ID/creationism, despite ID's fearful, delusional, and deceptive nature.

MikeyFlorida Says:

Jul 26, 2008 - from my experience, most creationists/ID proponents are innocently misunderstanding/ignorant of science, misled by their equally ignorant (and sometimes consciously deceptive) "pastors" and so-called "church leaders". they have the trust of their congregation. whatever pastors say, whatever they portray and misrepresent is face-value food for the sheep, and unfortunately empty rhetoric and logical fallacies go a long way in fundamentalist churches. lemming mentality.

Stitchman3875 Says:

Jul 26, 2008 - I agree with you there. The fact is that there is no conflict at all between belief in God and Evolution. They are simply answers to different questions. Even the Popes accept Evolution due to the overwhelming evidence. Alot of the "pastors" you mention are unfortunately playing a very dangerous game with the argument. They just can't get it, that science can only explain what is seen in nature, and the process of which it got there. ID proponents seem to hard time when science doesn't

Stitchman3875 Says:

Jul 26, 2008 - mention a supernatural being with it. But that is not in science's field. And you are right. Any educated theist, (myself included) would have no problem in seeing this, and accept the fact that evolution can very well be a part of God's plan. The Bible was never meant to be a science book, and was never supposed to be taken literally. The ID proponents have distorted it and done things with the Bible for which it was never intended to be used.

intigfx Says:

Jul 26, 2008 - 'If your delicate ears can't handle "swear words", I suggest you retreat to Bible study class, where you can learn about incest, slavery, genocide, and mass extinction, all perpetrated by or at the behest of your "creator".'Hahahahaha! Best. Comment. Ever!

anakinlouix Says:

Jul 26, 2008 - Well, as I said before, America has two extremes, the purely scientific and the one who gives incredible science and technology contributions, and the stupid animal extreme, sorry if I was kind of rude, but, the scientific extreme has only less than 5 % of americans, the rest of them are foreign students, and the other extreme has at least 70 % of americans, 70 % !!!, that is huge, but that is the truth.

anakinlouix Says:

Jul 26, 2008 - I have americans friends, they are very smart, in fact, everyone wants to go to America to do any degree, Phd or Masters, because the education there is wonderful, however, is good when the enviroment is purely scientific, as I said before, on the streets you can find to many ignorants that do not even have a clue about science, evolution and much less about my topic : Astronomy, physics and cosmology...