Added: Nov 18, 2008
From: FlorenceM1982
Duration: 0:34
Adorno speaks in a TV talk show about the plays of Beckett and the necessary reduction of the plays because of blunted human beings and deformed subjects.
Channel: Howto
Tags: adorno beckett deformed frankfurt godot personality philosophy plays school theatre
Rating: 4.80 (30 ratings) Views: 22381' favoriteCount='100 Comments: 25
cowichanknit Says:
Nov 18, 2008 - can you put up this whole talk show?thanks.
plenipotentiarius Says:
Nov 18, 2008 - In English, let me guess: "the work of Beckett as a 'technical' reduction of the world and the subject is its key knowledge but this knowledge is true of the world that is a hair's breadth away from devastation. These men (Beckett's characters) are the stunted product of life today."Was my translation even close?
fersfarah Says:
Nov 18, 2008 - no.. not even close ;)
sebreathnach Says:
Nov 18, 2008 - Im schlechtenes Deutsch -- es is nicht moglich eine theorie zu erschafen uber Beckett oder uber seine dramatis personae in 500 worten ,und leute die sagen dass sie konnen aus ein halb dutzen worte von Adorno since veruckt!
kristopaivinen Says:
Nov 18, 2008 - This guy had a remarkable talent for making everything he said sounds smarter than it is.
kristopaivinen Says:
Nov 18, 2008 - Sure, he hated Gershwin too. I wonder for what reason.
michaelmichael5555 Says:
Nov 18, 2008 - 'it is always said of beckett that he employs a technique of total reduction, i have said so myself and it is no remarkable discovery to say so, but this reduction is actually what the world does to us, to quote karl kraus. what has the world made out of us, these stumps of people who have lost their selves, these really are the products of the world we live in'
Jullepwnz Says:
Nov 18, 2008 - Although his works are not positivist method, they are still characterized by being extremely smart, or well-read, intellectual, whatever.
kristopaivinen Says:
Nov 18, 2008 - Well-read... yes, he was extremely skilled in the modern art of name-dropping. Blah blah blah Nietzsche blah blah blah Paul Klee blah-bloch-bach-berg Schubert Sesame Street... Elmo=Holocaust! His theories of the historical development of art are far from what science calls theories, and yet he presents them as such. Critical theory indeed! His obnoxiousness against pop culture makes it seem like I commit a crime whenever I go see a movie, and like I accept genocide when I laugh at Adam Sandler.
kristopaivinen Says:
Nov 18, 2008 - "this reduction is actually what the world does to us, to quote karl kraus. what has the world made out of us, these stumps of people who have lost their selves, these really are the products of the world we live in"It was the world which made him miserable. Blame the world, blame society! A perfect excuse to liberate the individual from responsibility, at least in some respect, don't you agree?
HolyProphetJoseph Says:
Nov 18, 2008 - LMFAO...niceThese Frankfurt-ers sure loved creating nonsense.
HolyProphetJoseph Says:
Nov 18, 2008 - Jullepwnz Although his works are not positivist method, they are still characterized by being extremely smart, or well-read, intellectual, whatever.How do you judge his "smartness"? The only thing you can do is judge his theories on their merits. And, one must admit he came to very many inane conclusions through dubious argumentation.It's like a pidgin version of genuine scholarship. He reminds me of Freud, SO sure of himself, yet completely full of BS.Really, just an academic con artist.
HolyProphetJoseph Says:
Nov 18, 2008 - kristopaivinen Sure, he hated Gershwin too. I wonder for what reason. Probably because he was a Jew. The Marxists hated the Jews.
kristopaivinen Says:
Nov 18, 2008 - Even when they were Jews themselves?
HolyProphetJoseph Says:
Nov 18, 2008 - Yeah. Hitler was part Jewish & some of the Nazis were Semites, as well.
kristopaivinen Says:
Nov 18, 2008 - Oh. That's nice to hear.
HolyProphetJoseph Says:
Nov 18, 2008 - It is a mystery why so many different people have hated the Jews over the centuries. They had the most enlightened culture in all of antiquity, after all.
kristopaivinen Says:
Nov 18, 2008 - The greatest reason why Adorno lacked sense for humor was nothing more than the fact, that he was simply bad at it. He was bad at humor, and therefore he attacked the concept, and dismissed laughter at whole.
Martialus80 Says:
Nov 18, 2008 - "Kriterium des Wahren ist nicht seine unmittelbare Kommunizierbarkeit an jedermann." (ND)
FlorenceM1982 Says:
Nov 18, 2008 - No, sorry, this short clip is just part of a documentation about Adorno.
mrsmxyzptlk Says:
Nov 18, 2008 - Not so much fraud, as narcissist. Hasn't the slightest appreciation for literature OR music. His work has done great damage.
highskilledsibby Says:
Nov 18, 2008 - We are the products of the world we live in- that's true. We have to hate the suffering and try to eliminate it. Not like these christians "to learn to live with it".
kingafrokyle Says:
Nov 18, 2008 - Why is this suddenly a discussion of race? Isn't it most importantly a discussion of Philosophy? I haven't seen any evidence to support he was an anti-semite.... I have however read his argument about disliking most contemporary music, Saying "all objectivist music has the intention of diverting attention away from social issues" at the fore of which, "the reality of living in a nightmare of alienation created by capitalism" His argument is quite valid and interesting.
kunstistmist Says:
Nov 18, 2008 - Ach ja, der Teddy. Auch so ein Produkt der Welt in der wir leben...
Logicopositivi Says:
Nov 18, 2008 - Auf English bitte. Ich kann nicht Deutsche verstanden.