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JoeysTheMan54 Says:

Nov 18, 2008 - I didnt say LEGAL marriage deals w/ religion. I said the idea of marriage originated w/ religion. The government added benefits to it.And, if youre saying the government should stay out of marriage, then there wouldnt be any benefits anyway. If that would be the case, what the fuck are you arguing about? Homosexuals would then just have the same ability to marry they do now.

lisauben Says:

Nov 18, 2008 - It's a fact that the laws against Marijuana in the US came about after the failure of prohibition. At one time cannabis was sold in tobacco shops in the US. The crack down came about as a result of a desire to control the Mexican population that was streaming across the borders into the US. It was about racism. Watch the History Channel or do some research on the topic. Proposition 8 CHANGED the constitution in California to deny rights to gay people. It was about homophobia.

lisauben Says:

Nov 18, 2008 - You have GOT TO BE KIDDING. The United States is COUNTRY OF PROTEST. The Irish workers protested for rights and equality when they first came to the US. There were protests for women to earn the right to vote. There were protests against slavery and later segregation. The right to protest is one of the freedoms that is DOWNRIGHT AMERICAN. Other countries do not have that right. Once again, I would ask that you either watch the History Chanel or read a text book.

lisauben Says:

Nov 18, 2008 - Well, I happen to like your President elect. What rights has he threatened to take away? I don't see how the issues are the same. I studied his platform, and you are certainly in no danger of losing your gun privileges any time soon. You still have representation regarding taxes (something that it could be argued was taken AWAY from gay couples due to higher state and Federal taxes that being forced to file separately will force them to pay).

lisauben Says:

Nov 18, 2008 - See once again, this is untrue. Marriage was something that the early church REFUSED TO GET INVOLVED in for MOST of its history. It was considered a secular contract and the church wanted no part in it. It wasn't until The Council of Trent decreed in 1563 that marriages should be celebrated in the presence of a priest and at least two witnesses that it became a religious ceremony.

JoeysTheMan54 Says:

Nov 18, 2008 - The President elect has consistantly voted to add restrictions and taxes on weapons. He has voted numerous times to remove legally obtained concealed carry permits. He is anti-gun to the extreme. With all of the Democrats now holding seats in congree, his gun control laws and new taxes can easily pass.Everyone will see a tax increase in 2010 when Bush's taxcut policies run out. Obama WILL NOT reinstate them.

JoeysTheMan54 Says:

Nov 18, 2008 - To those people that voted for proposition 8, it was more so about protecting the sanctity of marriage. It was about keep the definition of marriage as defined by current federal law, and to protect their beliefs.Im not saying you can control who you love, but different people have different belief systems. Until the majority decided to change the current definition of marriage, it will stay that way.

JoeysTheMan54 Says:

Nov 18, 2008 - Yes, you have a right to protest. You dont have a right to harrass and verbally assault people w/ differing thoughts.You scream and cry for tolerance, yet when something doesnt go your way, its only hatred and bigotry that you show.You have the right to a PEACEFUL protest. Any other protesting is illegal.

JoeysTheMan54 Says:

Nov 18, 2008 - I didnt say it originated w/ the church. I said it originated w/ religion. Hebrew weddings occured long before the church came about.

JigsawMaster Says:

Nov 18, 2008 - if it is a religious thing, then why does the government grant rights to married couples. does the separation of church and state clause ring a bell? it's no longer a religious thing, so why not change it?

JoeysTheMan54 Says:

Nov 18, 2008 - As Ive said before, marriage IS a religious thing. Government benefits for married couples ARENT.The government grants certain rights to married couples. Those rights are granted based on certain criteria. Those criteria were put in place by a group of people who believe marriage is defined as the union of man and woman. According to the people, by majority vote, that definition still hasnt changed.Government benefits arent a religious thing, but marriage itself originated that way.

JigsawMaster Says:

Nov 18, 2008 - so trying to mix religion and government. why not get rid of the rights granted by marriage and keep it religious THAT way.and what do you mean STILL hasn't changed. the prop was the change it BACK because for a while gay marriage was LEGAL.why is it so important for you people to keep a definition the same and not allow everyone to have the same rights.don't bring up domestic partnerships.

JoeysTheMan54 Says:

Nov 18, 2008 - Why not take away those right? I personally dont care, and Im married. That way, homosexuals would have the same marrying ability they have now, and they wouldnt have a reason to bitch.The only reason gay marriage was legal, is because a judge decided, by himself, that it was legal despite what the people had wanted. That is why this proposition came about. It was voted into effect because THE PEOPLE want to keep the definition the same way it has been for hundreds of years.

JoeysTheMan54 Says:

Nov 18, 2008 - Like I said, I personally dont care if homosexuals get marriage rights or not. However, there are some people that believe in keeping marriage between a man and woman because of THEIR specific beliefs. We are all supposed to be tolerant of one anothers belief system, but some pro-gaymarriage folks arent acting that way.

pacanime Says:

Nov 18, 2008 - All these no on prop 8 ads are making me gay. I want to find a man and get it on! I want my rights to fornicate with a man and marry him afterwards. Yeeeee HAW! Bring me the sugar daddy!

lisauben Says:

Nov 18, 2008 - There isn't a reason to deny marriage rights to gay people. Granting those rights does NOT infringe on the rights of any one who is NOT gay. Denying those rights however DOES negatively influence gay families. Therefor, Proposal 8 was decidedly wrong.

JoeysTheMan54 Says:

Nov 18, 2008 - There isnt a reason according to your beliefs. It was wrong according to your bliefs, but as I said earlier, not everyone shares the same belief system.The MAJORITY in California decided to keep the definition of marriage the same. Get over it.Next time there is a vote (as Im sure there will be a next time), do more to promote the cause and incurage people who share your opinion to vote. That is the only way change will come about. That is the way America works.

billyjobillybob Says:

Nov 18, 2008 - yes sir ree, i want my rights too. i'm movin to california so i can have my rights. i plan to marry my granma, elsie-mae. she's 102 and in a comma, but i knowed she is a wantin it.

lisauben Says:

Nov 18, 2008 - Of course we are discussing MY beliefs the same way we are discussing YOUR beliefs. Not to get all existential, but each person in a discussion brings hers or his own definition of reality into the discussion. In my world view Proposition 8 was an injustice the same as when interracial marriage was banned. Of course I am working to to try to change people's minds. That's what I have been trying to do here (I am a working mom with 2 kids, so I haven't a lot of time to hit the streets & protest).

lisauben Says:

Nov 18, 2008 - Oh behave yourself.

Loanranger530 Says:

Nov 18, 2008 - Marriage is the building block of the family unit, which in turn is the building block of society. When the family unit deteriorates, society follows. Marriage is therefore sacred, & needs to be protected. From traditional, religious, & historical perspectives, marriage has been defined as being between a man and a woman. It is obvious from a physiological standpoint that men and women were meant to join. Homosexuals have a disorder and are not normal. They should not be hated, nor celebrated.

Loanranger530 Says:

Nov 18, 2008 - To allow Gay marriage celebrates their disorder and compromises the family unit. When Homosexuals attempt to rationalize their behavior by saying that it exists in nature, and is therefore normal, they are being absurd. Animals will hump pillows, couches, and human legs. There was a female Swan that tried to pair with a small boat that was built to resemble a Swan. The point is, animals make mistakes. I think it is better if humans not look to animals to determine how they should act sexually.

Loanranger530 Says:

Nov 18, 2008 - I don't think that just because a person is a homosexual, they are automatically a bad person. I think as human beings they should enjoy the rights that civil unions bring. What gets me angry as I said before, is when they try to force their agenda on others.

loudnmouthy Says:

Nov 18, 2008 - "Marriage is the building block of the family unit,which in turn is the building block of society"And what is the building block of marriage,family and society?The Constitution was designed to protect individual rights and liberties,not to protect ideal definitions of terms like "marriage" in the minds of the religious by restricting individual rights and liberties.Collectivists like you should be hated,because you deviate from the very premise upon which this nation is founded.

Loanranger530 Says:

Nov 18, 2008 - Loudnmouthy...This is not a civil rights issue. You are not normal. You have a disorder. A homosexual lifestyle is an abnormal one. Therefore you are not entitled to a marriage. Be happy with civil unions and stop whining. Stop trying to force your agenda on others.