Bobby Orr tribute w Don Cherry Videos

grsnu Says:

Oct 10, 2008 - Phenom

dome1972 Says:

Oct 10, 2008 - The truth is that Gretz would have been great in any era because of the way he thought the game. Where as Bobby was great because of his physical tools. In a world where off-ice training and skating clinics have closed the gap between the elite and the pluggers I think that Bobby wouldn't have been the phenom that he was in 60's and eary 70's. I think it's safe to say that Bobby would have been pretty good but not the icon. Grez, on the other hand, would have still re-written the recordbook.

CDUKEBLUE Says:

Oct 10, 2008 - Are you serious? Orr had knee problems from his second season on & unbeleivably would have been even more incredible without the injury that ultimatly caused him to retire at just 29!Its what my eyes told me. Orr would have been THE best in any era sorry to tell you. And Orr could do it all. Gretzky could score but we all know could not measure up to Orr in skating ability, physical ability and of course in the defensive aspect of the game. To be called the best you have to be the best like Orr!

dome1972 Says:

Oct 10, 2008 - Your missing the point. Grezky's greatest asset was the way that he thought the game and it is what seperated him from his peers. Then, if you introduce his unique mind to any other era, coupled with that era's poorer skill set, and you have The Great One being even better than he was in the 80's and 90's. Orr's ability was only physical, introduce him to peers who were physically superior to those he played against in the 60's and 70's, and he wouldn't have excelled to the same degree.

dome1972 Says:

Oct 10, 2008 - The connectivity, evolution of the game and respective peer groups is what makes Gretzky's legacy greater than Orr's. We haven't even taken into account Grezky's salesmanship of the game. Clearly, there is only one choice as to who was the most influential in the sport. Orr didn't have the charisma or social skill that Wayne started to develop while in his pee wee years. Orr would have been eaten alive by the media and fan expectation of the 80's and 90's. Wayne excelled in it, case closed.

CDUKEBLUE Says:

Oct 10, 2008 - ORR revolutionized the sport! You my friend are not taking into account what orr truly meant to the game. He had vision. It was like he had eyes behind his head. Orr did have the charisma thats where you are wrong. gretzky manged to get the stats and pile them up in record form but if you ask hockey people which one they would start a team with....90% of people with knowledge of th egame would take Orr over Gretzky! Orr could make others around him better & was truly ahead of his time!

dome1972 Says:

Oct 10, 2008 - Where was Bobby's vision when he lost his knees? His decay as a player is illustrates that all he brought to the game was a elite level skating stride and willingness to rush the puck. That hardly qualifies him as a player with great vision. Bobby's abilities were purely physical while Gretzky's tools eminated from his mind, body and spirit. No one has ever loved the game and then translated it to the fans like Gretzky did. Orr, though I'm sure a nice guy, was an introverted personality.

dome1972 Says:

Oct 10, 2008 - Steven Brunt's book, Searching for Bobby Orr, makes Bobby's social inadequacies quite evident. During Orr's initial years in the league his interviews spoke to his inability to deal with the scope of his popularity. Bobby wasn't a media-guy, he wasn't an attention seeker. He was a hockey player and there is nothing wrong with that. However, his ineptness in the public realm is just another reason why Gretzky's legacy is far more important to the league and game in general.

OilersCanadasTeam Says:

Oct 10, 2008 - Don Cherry coached Bobby Orr in 74-75. That was Orrs last full season with the Bruins and had 46 goals, including 4 hat tricks, 2 of them against the garbage Capitals.

CDUKEBLUE Says:

Oct 10, 2008 - I am not talking about legacy.....I think your right about gretzky in that aspect. I am talking about who was THE greater hockey player pure & simple. You seem to give no credit to Orr's overall greatness. Maybe you are too young to have seen him play. Please watch these videos, and I know you will end up saying Orr was THE greatest player on pure talent who ever laced up a pair of skates! The things he did on the ice were simply amazing & still mindbending!

dome1972 Says:

Oct 10, 2008 - It appears you have ignored my contention that Orr's physical skills in the 60's and 70's were plyed against inferior competition compared to the people Gretzky competed against. Orr's greatness was measured against a peer group that didn't train prior to training camp. Their lower fitness level and average skating ability is what helped Orr to dominate his era. Let's not forget the differences in team play and defensive tactics. The trap would feast upon Bobby's turnovers.

dome1972 Says:

Oct 10, 2008 - The difference between Orr and Gretzky is one of the great debates in hockey. The Hockey News contended that Wayne's ability to see and think the game, coupled with the fact that he played in a tougher, more competitive era, is why he should be considered the greatest. At 17 years of age the skinny kid took the pro world by storm. He competed against grown men and made them look silly. People have forgotten about Wayne's skill set because of the mastery of his creativity.

dome1972 Says:

Oct 10, 2008 - The most important factor in this debate is the quality of the opposition that these two shining stars faced. During Orr's era there were defensemen who couldn't turn to the outside. There were wingers who were couldn't skate backwards. There were coaches who told their team to just go out there and give it their best with minimal strategy. The fitness levels in Orr's period of excellence where comperable to the elite pick-up, shinny player of the day. They were a weak peer group.

dome1972 Says:

Oct 10, 2008 - That weak peer group helped to make Orr look better than he really was. Now, don't get me wrong, he wasn't exactly a sack of potatos but his legacy is somewhat overrated because of the competition he faced. Gretz, on the other hand, competed against two eras of play. In the 80's and early 90's he faced them as a young man and was cleary the class of the league. He dominated that period like no one has ever dominated, even Orr. The later part of his career was against a different NHL.

dome1972 Says:

Oct 10, 2008 - The NHL that Gretzky faced in the mid to late 90's was far more complicated than anything he had ever seen before. It was a league that focused upon the control of space and player disapline. Gone were the days of the quick-strike and freelancing that Gretzky and Orr made their names on. Additionally, the athletic gap between the third/fourth liners and the stars had narrowed and this eliminated the mismatches that helped both Orr and Gretzky turn the hockey world on it's ear.

dome1972 Says:

Oct 10, 2008 - The problem with those who grew up watching Orr waltz through his opposition is that Orr made it look so easy. Well, in reality, it was rather easy for someone with Bobby's natural explosiveness and stride. Orr didn't compete against equals while Gretzky often competed with players who were physically superior to him. Orr fans have to expand the scope that they regard this debate with in order to truly understand it. However, I suppose it's easy to be delusional in the nursing home.

CDUKEBLUE Says:

Oct 10, 2008 - Enough of your ridiculous remarks it is now bordering on the rude & there is no need for it!

dome1972 Says:

Oct 10, 2008 - Sounds like you can't defend your point any more. Either that or maybe I've changed your mind, eh? I win... again.

CDUKEBLUE Says:

Oct 10, 2008 - listen you obnoxious clown.....Orr was the better player. You just cant accept the truth & are inventing things to support a rather weak argument. When Orr first started their was just 6 teams & only 12 when he played. gretzky played as the league watered its product to the point it became a joke & their were players who had no right being in the league. So dont talk about level of competition, you lose big in that one. If you dont think Orr would have beeb great in any era...you are SOMISTAKEN!

CDUKEBLUE Says:

Oct 10, 2008 - Oh, I would take ORR over gretzky in any game they played one-on-one. Orr could do it all & obviously gretzky couldn't play defense!

dome1972 Says:

Oct 10, 2008 - I was going for the evil clown persona... close enough I guess.The six and twelve team league arguement is a good one if you ignore the fact that those teams didn't access the talent that existed in Europe and Scandinavia. Gretzky competed against the best the world had to offer while Bobby didn't. The 76 Canada Cup is the only euro-competition to judge Bobby against and that is foolish at best. The sample size is just too small. Gretz faced the best and is still considered the best.

dome1972 Says:

Oct 10, 2008 - I'm sure Bobby would look great in a one-on-one competition. However, the game is played with teammates and no one ever utilized his teammates like Gretz did. Gretz made the people around him better than they ever had a right to be. Then, when coupled with truly elite players, he brought them to another level. Orr was not that type of creator. Bobby was a spectacular rush or a great goal but when you consider the level of competition he faced it just doesn't mean as much.

SabresDangle83 Says:

Oct 10, 2008 - Please, while I disagree with you in the Orr vs Gretzky remark. When you search Bobby Orr click the first video and look at the brutal argument that these guys are trying to put up against me. Saying today's game is a joke. Ignorant.

a3her Says:

Oct 10, 2008 - dumb1972 is a self proclaimed genius who goes on Orr sites just to piss us off..he gets many of his facts wrong..will never admit when he is wrong..his life is youtube..4+ hours a day for over 18 months..pissing people off.dome1972Joined: February 16,2007Last Sign In:2 hours agoVideos Watched: 17,032Channel Views:1,462Name:DukeAge:36I am the self-proclaimed smartest guy on Youtube. Whether the topic be sports or politics I provide an insight and wit that most boobs just can't handle.

a3her Says:

Oct 10, 2008 - The real stat..the one that wins games..the only stat that truly counts is this. While you are on the ice who scores and how much. While on the ice Gretzky has 3520 goals for 2285 against..a game average of .83 (1487 games). Orr has tgf of 1651 and tga of 781 for a 1.46 per game average (596 games, 66/67 n/a). Much of Gretzky's career he was a detriment to his team if there was no power play,Orr's numbers never came close to being inverted..Gretzky was horrid as a 2 way player for over 10 years