Added: Jul 7, 2008
From: gravel2008
Duration: 2:29
Democratic Presidential candidate Mike Gravel outlines his plan to bring about a national healthcare voucher system for all Americans.
Channel: News
Tags: 2008 care election gravel health mike president
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DBVPSlayer Says:
Jul 7, 2008 - If you were right about socialism then I would agree with you, but plain and simple you're wrong. You're making an exaggerated, stereotyped remark about something you seem to just be afraid of. Have you ever been to or had an extensive conversatoin with anyone who can give you a first hand account of living in a Scandanavian country, which are all highly socialized? Do that first, then see if you say the same thing.
WeedaPeople Says:
Jul 7, 2008 - DBVP:"the standard republican trick. Avoid a real topic with attacking my personal life"I did not attack anything. I asked a question, for which, you got REALLY defensive.You are a kid. You do not know enough to tell others how to live. How much college do you have? How many wars have you been involved in? How much scarifice have you been able to make so far? And...Donating time to animal shelters is not helping PEOPLE.
WeedaPeople Says:
Jul 7, 2008 - DBVP:"Have you ever...had an extensive (conversation) with anyone...living in a Scandanavian country"Yes, and Canadian. I met an exCanadian who now lives in Texas because he had to flee the medical system or die. I also have a very good friend who left Denmark to flee over taxation. I have had MANY conversations about this topic with real people who left those places for this specific reason.Have you?
DBVPSlayer Says:
Jul 7, 2008 - A kid? Alexander the Great controlled the known world by my age, thus causing a reformation all over Western Asia that can still be seen today. I'm very sorry I was born in 1985. This is a democracy, and like it or not 22-year-olds' opinions count just as much as yours do. You didn't attack me, but anyone could see where you were coming from, and that's why you are implying that I have no say so in America, even though by law I do.
WeedaPeople Says:
Jul 7, 2008 - DBVP:"You didn't attack me"Apology accepted.Get some college under your belt and come back when you have some semblence of an edcuation, and your discussions can be colored with knowledge and experience.
DBVPSlayer Says:
Jul 7, 2008 - For someone with as much experience as you claim to have, you see to have worthless experiences and wisdom. Come back in another lifetime when the world is rid of narrow-minded sorts such as yourself. Conversatism is nothing more than a tribal frontline. Liberalism is the Roman army where units support eachother and defeat any opposition when the soldiers are trained properly and they believe in their training. Continue standing alone and you'll be picked off one day. Learn to learn.
WeedaPeople Says:
Jul 7, 2008 - DBVP:"Conversatism is nothing more than a tribal frontline."Conversatism? Why didn't you just say "Plumbing is a pork chop in the desert"? It would have made as much sense.Narrow minded is seeing compassion in only one myopic light and not being able to understand that making people dependent is not compassion. Socialist progams have never made anyone better off in the USA.
WeedaPeople Says:
Jul 7, 2008 - (cont)Since 1964 when President Lyndon Johnson created his "Great Society", and implemented all the social programs we have now (That consume 80% of our budgets), the idea was to help people by giving them money and services from the Government. The truth has been that we have made poor people more dependent on Government, less reliant on themselves, and the result is people are worse off than they were before the Great Society programs. That is compassion?
WeedaPeople Says:
Jul 7, 2008 - (cont)All we have done is taken peoples freedoms and given them dependency on the Government and allowed the control over peoples lives to transfer to bureaucracy instead of personal liberty.That is NOT what America is about.
dan020350 Says:
Jul 7, 2008 - health care should be for free for everyone. I don't like going to see the doctors unless I am sick.
WeedaPeople Says:
Jul 7, 2008 - dano:"health care should be for free for everyone"Why should it be free? I think Rolls Royces should be free. I do not think we should have to pay for Toyotas and Fords when we could have a Rolls at no charge.Free Beer too...yeah. And Each of us should have a free mansion with a CEE-ment pond...
klim8hokes Says:
Jul 7, 2008 - Founding Father of Canada's Socialized Medicine Rejects the Monster He Created:40 yrs later, as the chairman of a government committee reviewing Quebec health care this year, Castonguay says the system is in "crisis.""We thought we could resolve the system's problems by rationing services or injecting massive amounts of new money," But now he prescribes a radical overhaul: "We are proposing to give a greater role to the private sector so that people can exercise freedom of choice."
dan020350 Says:
Jul 7, 2008 - Why do the people keep on being told they need a checkup, and then stick needles from doctors that state its a prevention of getting sick, then finding out now they have become more sick before? If a nation is the richest nation then health care ought to be free, and being paid by choice. The father of medicine never accepted payment from their patients. Health industry needs strategist to make problems and make money and not to solve problems.
WeedaPeople Says:
Jul 7, 2008 - dano:"If a nation is the richest nation then health care ought to be free"Again, WHY should it be FREE?What you are saying is: "If you go to school for many years and spend thousands of dollars in education to become a Doctor, you should get nothing for it". Why is that fair? Other than a small group of people, who would ever go through all the demanding, expensive education if there was no monetary incentive to do so?
dan020350 Says:
Jul 7, 2008 - If it can't be free, then stop telling people go see a doctor when they don't have to see a doctor.
WeedaPeople Says:
Jul 7, 2008 - dano:"stop telling people go see a doctor"I did not tell anyone to see a Doctor.
bretinator13 Says:
Jul 7, 2008 - what law sais you have to go see a doctor when nothing is wrong? thats just showing ill judgement on your part by not going to see the doctor.
dan020350 Says:
Jul 7, 2008 - What is happening in America is not everyone has this judgment either because of commercialism or breast cancer prevention or awareness or whatever campaign. If one can give good judgment to many who are not seriously into education. That would be a wonder
bretinator13 Says:
Jul 7, 2008 - its not really not that hard. if you don't want to get sick. you go to the doc. if you don't care. YOU DON'T! you have either option. your not forced to see a doc. your proposal of free healthcare however, is abslolutely obsurd. and weeda people, did a pretty good job of clearing that up with you, i would hope.
WeedaPeople Says:
Jul 7, 2008 - dano:"What is happening...is not everyone has this judgment...because of commercialism or breast cancer prevention or awareness..."It is not an evil conspiracy. The idea is not to promote Doctors and Doctor bills. It is to get people to check into minor issues early before they get too big to deal with and people die.Early cancer detection means high survival rates. If you let it go too long without checking it, it spreads and you die.
WeedaPeople Says:
Jul 7, 2008 - (cont)Now I DO see where unnecessary testing is rampant, but that is a direct result of frivilous litigation. Anyone can sue for anything at any time, and Doctors HAVE to cover their ass.We need to implement a "Loser Pays" legal system to reduce frivilous law suits, lower malpractice insurance and eliminate unnecessary testing.
dan020350 Says:
Jul 7, 2008 - everyone has a choice, they choose to live with misery.
behindtheparadigm Says:
Jul 7, 2008 - more gov't isn't the answer to gov't. replacing the gov't managed healthcare w/ gov't universal healthcare will a) never be handled by a sales tax, and b) provide low quality care at everyone's expense. what we need is to get RID of bureaucracy and allow doctors to COMPETE for our business. they will then have the incentive to charge much lower rates AND provide quality health care. technology+competition has lowered the cost of goods and services in ALL industries EXCEPT for the health indusrty
behindtheparadigm Says:
Jul 7, 2008 - currently there is no competition, only doctors who will charge the highest price allowed under the law and order every test known to man just because they can, when HMO's are footing a large chunk of the bill. we have to have insurance just to VISIT a doctor. it's insane. universal HC will not simplify our HC experience, no matter how it is sugar-coated. we will inevitably receive bad HC and, when sales tax doesn't cover it all, be taxed for the rest, as all govt programs balloon out of control
DBVPSlayer Says:
Jul 7, 2008 - Ahhh the standard republican trick. Avoid a real topic with attacking my personal life over the internet which I cannot prove without showing my tax forms. I do donate my time to an animal shelter, what money I can spare randomly to one of my buddies who came back from Afganhistan without his left eye, left ear, and had his wife leave him and take his kid away. Plus I'm not an asshole to strangers. I'm just a hardworking 22 year old who's trying to make smart decisions. I can sacrifice too.