Added: Jul 7, 2008
From: tolka
Duration: 5:3
This is an from a presentation by Neil deGrasse Tyson at the 2006 Beyond Belief conference. Neil is the director of the Hayden Planetarium in the Rose Center For Earth and Space at the American Museum of Natural History. In this Powerpoint entitled "Stupid Design" Tyson points out some of the glaring evidence for a universe without a designer.
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Tags: 2006 atheism belief beyond degrasse design intelligent neil religion science skepticism stupid tyson
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Wonko101 Says:
Jul 7, 2008 - Not quite sure where you got that number but saying that the odds against something are so high as to make it impossible is like saying because the odds against one person winning the lottery are high obviously no one person wins the lottery. As be being naive, no, just deluded. Like the person on the street corner who wears his tin foil hat and tells you all about the intricate conspiracy by the aliens to control the world you have to come up with ever increasing reasons as to why...
Wonko101 Says:
Jul 7, 2008 - ...the perfect intelligent designer designed a replication system that replicates incorrectly. First it was original sin, then just sin, then god testing man, then throw in the devil on top. Like the man on the street corner who will tell you that the reason you can't see the aliens or find them with our technology is because of their invisibility phase emitters, you are as equally deluded. I can only hope, though, that you aren't so deluded as to kill to protect the delusion. Have a good day.
unearthlydwarf Says:
Jul 7, 2008 - KILL?...wow... isn't there a commandment on that one?
Wonko101 Says:
Jul 7, 2008 - lol...good one. Fair enough then.
unearthlydwarf Says:
Jul 7, 2008 - lol thanx. i have ALWAYS said, any man can believe as they wish, even if i don't agree. no man has a right to push their own beliefs on others, especially by force. i love discussing these questions with the religious and atheists. who knows, maybe sonething could convince me otherwise or vice-versa. take care.
unearthlydwarf Says:
Jul 7, 2008 - it's a widely accepted statistic. here's another. the probability of every single Old Testament prophecy of Jesus happening...1 in every atom in a neutron star. Learned it from an older guy w/a Doctorate in Biology i think
Wonko101 Says:
Jul 7, 2008 - Its' a widely accepted statistic that I have never heard of. Could you please name the source?
Wonko101 Says:
Jul 7, 2008 - As with you, I have no problem with people believing whatever the hell they want in this world as they already do. People in India actually believe the tales of the Bahagavita with complete aplomb and would look at you like your retarded if you tried to question it. So, hey, you want to stick chicken feathers in your ass and howl at the moon (used for comic effect), fine by me. It's when you hand me a feather while holding a gun to my head that I have a problem.
unearthlydwarf Says:
Jul 7, 2008 - geez, about three different evolutionary professors, one from a university in calif. they were interviewed in Ben Stein's "Expelled". Since all three gave the same # from three diff places (one was from France) i'm pretty sure it's accurate.
unearthlydwarf Says:
Jul 7, 2008 - amen! any religious sect like that, i firmly believe shouldn't exist. this why i was so fervent on showing a difference between Catholicism and Christianity. they weren't known for their people skills...lol!
Wonko101 Says:
Jul 7, 2008 - I hear alot of numbers you see...the number you quoted, Dembskis' number from the Dover trial, a number supposedly quoted by Bernard Carr (Anthropic principle) of 1x10to40,000 and so on. Frankly I think all of these numbers are simply pulled out of something...I mean, I have looked at Dembskis' "math", for instance, and his number definately meets the definition that he defines with his theory...amazing! Still, I'll take a look.
iNsyNR8R Says:
Jul 7, 2008 - With all the dangers out there, all the ones the jerk off Carl Sagan wannabe how do we exist? And who said the universe was created for us? What kills me is that scientists don't provide any answers yet want to tell us all how to think.
Wonko101 Says:
Jul 7, 2008 - With all the dangers out there, all the ones the jerk off Carl Sagan wannabe how do we exist?-iNsyNR8RWe exist to fit the conditions that currently exist on the planet. Millenia ago life fit the conditions of a methane rich atmosphere. The idea that some god being created the entire universe to fit HUMAN life is what is being made fun of here and quite deservedly, considering the points that are made.
Wonko101 Says:
Jul 7, 2008 - Here's a simple point for you to ponder:God made the earth for man? Why is it that man in his natural state cannot live on MOST of the surface of the planet designed for his benefit?
iNsyNR8R Says:
Jul 7, 2008 - My reply included "Who said the Universe was created for us?" - The best thing Neil deGrasse states is that they just know. At least it's honest.
ojmardueno Says:
Jul 7, 2008 - Hahahaha!!! that was so funny!!!! but so true!!!
uconnpat Says:
Jul 7, 2008 - Okay silly kids if you are walking in the forest and you see a beautifully made pocket watch do you conclude from the apparent chaos of the forest that the watch was an accident? ONly if you are on pcp. No you conclude that it was the product of intelligence despite the surrounding chaos. this is a quintessential strawman argument which a specific name which I will research and get back to you. The evil that the church and now the naturalistic community are both guilty of istofosterignorance
rongvk Says:
Jul 7, 2008 - Dude.. did you even watch the movie, or just troll based on the title? The whole point of the presentation was to show that we're dealing with such a a half-baked illogical death trap piece of crap watch that no-one would have designed it!
Wonko101 Says:
Jul 7, 2008 - If I walkd through a forest and found a watch I would most likely conclude that a human created it. If I walked through a forest and found a tree, I would most likely conclude it came from a seed. If I walked through a forest and found a human I would most likely conclude that that human had parents. Out of ALL of these what I would most likely NOT conclude is that all these things had an invisible amorphous spirit being creator who is said to be all powerful and all knowing yet can't figure out
Wonko101 Says:
Jul 7, 2008 - ...how to design a creation that replicates itself incorrectly causing defect to the creation.
vanhelm13 Says:
Jul 7, 2008 - Are you calling me a pocket watch?
ALiTUiK Says:
Jul 7, 2008 - you are shallow.
weener09 Says:
Jul 7, 2008 - Fuck religion.
CMK144 Says:
Jul 7, 2008 - religion worked when there was hardly any government, it told the followers if you do anything bad or dont follow the rules that your going to burn in hell forever, which needless to say was pretty convincing. Now that most of the world has rules on how to act and governments to keep people in line and from killing eachother, religion is only good for starting wars and disagreements
unearthlydwarf Says:
Jul 7, 2008 - well it all makes sense to me. it sounds like there's not much else i can say when you just ignore my points. i find the 1 in a trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion chance of life happening in the universe pretty shaky unless something else was behind it. whether it is God, Brahman, or space aliens. i go with the Bible since it was written over a period of 5000 years by 30 different people from completely different walks of life and is without contradiction. i might just be naive.