Added: Aug 21, 2008
From: liveoilfree
Duration: 6:55
RAV4-EV can be plugged into the wall, or into a rooftop solar system, can be fast-charged, can be controlled by the owner.A fast charger could have been installed by Toyota to plug into the wail.Add a small engine-generator, and it's an instant plug-in serial hybrid with 120 miles of all-electric range, 3 times what the proposed Volt would have (if GM were serious).Proves that GM could make such a car right now, is stalling and lying.AMAZING, people see the EV and solar power, and want to do it themselves. But GM and Toyota are refusing to sell an EV, which makes it all possible. Without a plug-in car, you can't use the solar power credits to charge your car, and the money formerly spent on gas to pay off the solar system.There has ALWAYS been more demand for EVs than supply, contrary to the LIES of Toyota and GM, and exposing the perfidy of the so-called "air resources" board -- CARB.
Channel: Autos
Tags: "chevy ev1 hybrid lutz plug-in rav4-ev volt" wagoner
Rating: 4.92 (59 ratings) Views: 22690' favoriteCount='54 Comments: 61
Leibensborn Says:
Aug 21, 2008 - they are both preventing current EV development and securing their profits if or when oil finally runs out.
pvelectric Says:
Aug 21, 2008 - I'm delighted city gentlemen, like liveoilfree seems to be, are doing what we used to call "shade tree mechanics." After finishing a five year career as a professional auto mechanic and heavy duty farm machinery operator and mechanic (laying flat on my back often in them old dusty at times and flooded at times, alfalfa pieces, at my old California home, way back when), I actuall plan a business model to build Solar Powered Houses, featuring a plug-in at the carport or garage...ah well, live...
diggingforgold Says:
Aug 21, 2008 - Check Wikipedia's NiMH article. There are lawsuits going on because of patent suppression. But NiMH patents expire 2015, so if LiIon fails, we will still have NiMH to fall back on (and it might be cheap by then).The problem right now for E-REVs is cost of batteries (whether it's NiMH or LiIon, it's still expensive). To give you an idea, a 1.3kWh NiMH Prius pack costs $3,000. The Volt has a 16kWh LiIon pack, which can end up costing well over $25,000. EVs are not cheap, but neither is oil. :)
liveoilfree Says:
Aug 21, 2008 - Actually, that's the cost for the Prius pack, which has 40 lbs. of computer and fans, and is an entirel different kind of battery.The EV-95 used in the RAV4-EV cost at most $1000 per module, but ARB estimated it would be $400 in quantity production. Even in 2015, you won't get NiMH unless Toyota chooses to make them.
liveoilfree Says:
Aug 21, 2008 - The cost of the batteries is NOT a barrier! This is a GM lie! The life-cycle cost of EV--95 Toyota NiMH, which lasts longer than the life of the car, is much lower than a gas car.The entire pack retailed for $25,000, when new; now, you can't buy it at ANY price.That's the major cost in building the car, but Toyota's cost was about half that, so they make a lot of money on it, too.
liveoilfree Says:
Aug 21, 2008 - The RAV4-EV retailed for $42,000, the battery cost was $12,000, the rest was due to design cost amortized over only 1600 copies.
ernnst14 Says:
Aug 21, 2008 - you are a very smart man! we need these cars more than ever, i just wish these car companies would see tha the world is dieing, instead of how much money their making.
SwineNahNah Says:
Aug 21, 2008 - Oh c'mon, range places it in citycar position, so, it sould be something like Yaris-EV or Corolla-EV, not the RAV4
gandy74 Says:
Aug 21, 2008 - Electric cars are great as towncars and shorter range commuting. You could have a gas car for longer ranges. Most people have 2 cars anyway.
Carlibra57 Says:
Aug 21, 2008 - Great video, thanks. Cheveron, with it's patent on the large NiMh batteries is standing in the way... but Tesla Motors figured out how to cool down their 7000+ LiOn batteries using the car's air-conditioner! It's so stupid to be using up oil for common communting purposes but will probably be the prefered method for long-haul purposes, i.e. trucking. The oil & auto industry have good reason to throw inhibit electric cars eventhough they would curb global warming tremendously... wind, solar.
taj7575 Says:
Aug 21, 2008 - what i dont understand is...why the hell doesnt the Volt use a better battery? 40 mile range? are you kidding me? didnt GM create an electric can in the late 90's with better range than that?I still think the volt is a nice car though....it just needs better mileage in city.
Ukrainatrain Says:
Aug 21, 2008 - u.. because a battery that allow longer ranges get a lot more expensive. The EV-1 cost GM about $80,000 to make in the 90's, and they can not afford to take that kind of loss nowadays, and nobody would buy a volt at that price. I'm sure Toyota took a large loss on this EV also. Why do you think they discontinued it?
Ukrainatrain Says:
Aug 21, 2008 - its probable that the patent they own would not be used now anyway, because a technology improves, new patents are issued to reflect the changes, and this was like over 10 years ago.
Ukrainatrain Says:
Aug 21, 2008 - a lie? this is why GM won't even break even on the volt? and Toyota canceled the rav4 ev because they were making money on it? You do not make any sense whatsoever.The battery pack retails for 35 grand (which is by far the bulk of the cost). On top of that, add on a car with all the required safety features and technology to make it more lightweight.
Ukrainatrain Says:
Aug 21, 2008 - Toyota did not make the batteries used in the rav4. The cost you just mentioned is a total lie. If it was so cheap, why would they make a very limited run and then cancel it as soon as the mandate was reversed just like the EV1?
taj7575 Says:
Aug 21, 2008 - Oh, ok. Gotcha
liveoilfree Says:
Aug 21, 2008 - Toyota-Panasonic ("PEVE") made the batteries; PEVE is now owned only by Toyota.The program was cancelled for reasons that are complicated; Toyota got membership in the Auto Alliance. Before 1999, Toyota was excluded. The EV was not formally killed until after Chevron's lawsuit was filed.
liveoilfree Says:
Aug 21, 2008 - The battery pack cannot be purchased at ANY price, since GM sold control to Chevron's cobasys unit and sued Toyota, which then stopped production of the EV-95 batteries.
liveoilfree Says:
Aug 21, 2008 - Because GM is not serious about the VOLT, it's just a lie.
liveoilfree Says:
Aug 21, 2008 - You're just repeating Bob Lutz' lies. No one knows what it would have cost GM to make the EV1, if GM had been honest; by lying about the EV1, GM's figures are UNTRUSTWORTHY.
liveoilfree Says:
Aug 21, 2008 - The Tesla is based on the T-zero, which was created by the same folks who were kicked off the EV1 program. They went to Lithium since they could not get good lead-acid batteries (after JCI bought optima), and because NiMH won't put out the power (800A).
liveoilfree Says:
Aug 21, 2008 - The patent got Chevron $30M from Toyota, and shamed Toyota.
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ivanbunny25 Says:
Aug 21, 2008 - This is such a beautiful car, and it is a tradgety that GM and the oil companies killed this future. This was a mass produced and sucessful ALL ELECTRIC car. Those bastards should be shot for killing it.
SatwaMan Says:
Aug 21, 2008 - How do you build one?