sleaponit21 Says:
Nov 21, 2008 - all you experts above amaze me, all I see is somebodys darling son lying dead
IloveMary35 Says:
Nov 21, 2008 - 600,000 darling sons were dead after the War Between the States.And Honest Abe could've avoided it....if he'd wanted to.
IloveMary35 Says:
Nov 21, 2008 - The right of self determination is sufficient.
r4b18 Says:
Nov 21, 2008 - Every other nation on earth abolished slavery without a war. That says something about american greed, I think.
headmunke Says:
Nov 21, 2008 - Slavery wasn't the issue until later in the war. It was mostly started and fought for states rights. The CSA thought the north was kinda acting like Britain was during the revolutionary war. Washington was imposing their laws were many states thought they shouldn't intervene. This holds true for both North and South. So it wasn't nec. greed my friend, it was states rights.
navigator79R Says:
Nov 21, 2008 - Because of USA Kosovo is independent now. But USA must be consistent. Now freedom for Lakota Indians! Sons of Sitting Bull also have right to have their own Republic.
stevensmittle Says:
Nov 21, 2008 - cont..If Slavery were out of the way there would be no trouble from State Rights. The war, then, is for Slavery, and nothing else. It is an insane attempt to vindicate by arms the lordship which had been already asserted in debate. With mad-cap audacity it seeks to install this Barbarism as the truest Civilization. Slavery is declared to be the "corner-stone" of the new edifice.
stevensmittle Says:
Nov 21, 2008 - In July 1863, as decisive campaigns were fought at Gettysburg and Vicksburg, Republican senator Charles Sumner re-dedicated his speech The Barbarism of Slavery and said that desire to preserve slavery was the sole cause of the war:[T]here are two apparent rudiments to this war. One is Slavery and the other is State Rights. But the latter is only a cover for the former.cont below...
kumatosky Says:
Nov 21, 2008 - another stupid war thigs are still the same differents faces differents places but the same slavery ,(ask katrina )
boblongstreth2 Says:
Nov 21, 2008 - alot of people give lincoln the distinction of being the great emancipator but he didnt fight to free people he fought to preserve the union woith or with out slavery and to me that is the true saccrafice of the civil war not slavery but choice
stevensmittle Says:
Nov 21, 2008 - Lincoln:"My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union,and is not either to save or to destroy slavery.If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it,and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it;and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that.I have here stated my purpose according to my view of official duty; and I intend no modification of my oft-expressed personal wish that all men everywhere could be free."
IloveMary35 Says:
Nov 21, 2008 - That's simply not true. The war couldn't have been fought over slavery because the North wasn't fighting to end slavery.
stevensmittle Says:
Nov 21, 2008 - llovemary35...The immediate goal of the war was to restore the Union(says Lincoln);but they all knew that slavery would die out if the Union (republicans) continued to hold the political advantage of the South and if the South failed to get their way through war. Fighting for state rights?Yes, but rights to expand slavery. I guess the Union wrote all the encyclopedias after 1865, because everyone I pick up holds SLAVERY to be the base issue of debates over state rights&economics.
stevensmittle Says:
Nov 21, 2008 - In his 1858 House Divided Speech, Lincoln expressed a desire to "arrest the further spread of it(slavery), and place it where the public mind shall rest in the belief that it is in the course of ultimate extinction". Lincoln opposed slavery."Whenever I hear any one arguing for slavery I feel a strong impulse to see it tried on him personally." Abe Lincoln
navigator79R Says:
Nov 21, 2008 - I think it is not correctly to use couple of Lincoln's quatations as some kind of "proof" North wished ended slavery. Let's look at this problem more wide. On the one hand, we know that since foundation of USA slavery was only one (and not most important) issue in political battles between South and North. For example problem of high/low customs for foreign goods was more hard in mutual Southern-Northern relations.
navigator79R Says:
Nov 21, 2008 - On the other hand we know that claim to liberate slaves very often was just some kind of political tool in North-South political battles. Remember Southern-Northern compromises because of slavery.Does Northern people in total mass realy wished to liberate slaves? Evidently no.Racial ideas of superiority Whites above Blacks were very popular among Northerners as well as among Southerners. Also movement of abolitionizm was not so wide as many people suppose.
navigator79R Says:
Nov 21, 2008 - Abolitionists were visible because of their extremal activity. But those guys were not a lot of. As for Lincoln's "firm" intention to liberate slaves... Civil War started in 1861, but first Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation in 1862. Most interesting it was just warning for South to liberate slaves if South wouldn't return back into Union! Moreover, second Proclamation liberated slaves only..haha..in rebel States. Only in 1865 slavery was forbided in USA totally.
navigator79R Says:
Nov 21, 2008 - P.S. May be Lincoln personaly (as human) wished liberation, but as President he had done it only under hard circumstances.
IloveMary35 Says:
Nov 21, 2008 - stevensmittle,The problem with your line of thinking is that it implies that the South was worried that the North was going to try to end slavery.The only way to end slavery would've been with a constitutional amendment,which would've taken 75% of the states to vote against slavery.With 13 states definitely for slavery that means 39 states would've had to vote against it. 39+13= 52.We don't even have 52 states TODAY.The South had nothing to worry about in regards to slavery ending.
Hannahsabotage Says:
Nov 21, 2008 - i like the song
motzartiana Says:
Nov 21, 2008 - Licoln was the consummate politician and knew that for anything to be accomplished -especially under the circumstances and people of that time- it must be dealt with in incriments! His letters and speeches well before election speak of the horrors of slavery and the need for its' abolishment!! With all that was on his plate during the war he never lost sight of that need and when he saw the opportunity of beginning its' end, he took it and finally to fruition!!!!!
cena411 Says:
Nov 21, 2008 - No The Northerners felt the same way about African Americans the South did... they still saw them as not human beings like the South... they still had respect for Blacks... but the war was just to keep the Union together... lincoln wanted a full House I quote "A House divded, can not stand by itself" that doent relate to any slavery issues... Lincoln mad a big decision midway through the war it would be the reason of slavery
frog77 Says:
Nov 21, 2008 - peoples eyes go from a shine to a dull matt when they die...its odd its like seeing there end.. its realy sad.
wisteria757 Says:
Nov 21, 2008 - The melody of the violin has a haunting sound that goes right to your soul. Just beautiful!The way the old photos were put together was done so well.
stevensmittle Says:
Nov 21, 2008 - In relation to the fort sumpter conflict...